THE DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS CARTOON ON-LINE FAN CLUB NEWSLETTER
Issue 7, Vol.II, No.3
July/August 1998

“Hey Romy, remember Mrs. Divitz’s class, there was like always a word
problem.
Like, there’s a guy in a rowboat going X miles, and the current is going
like,
you know, some other miles, and how long does it take him to get to town?
It’s like, ‘Who cares? Who wants to go to town with a guy who drives a
rowboat?’”
-- Michele (Lisa Kudrow), in the movie “Romy and Michele’s High School
Reunion”

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And speaking of high school reunions and all-thing-reminiscent, here’s a
question. Besides the D&D Cartoon, what are some of your favorite 80s
memories? Solving Rubik’s cube (that is, without taking all the stickers
off
and putting them on in the right order)? 60’s Tie-Dye day during Homecoming

week? Send in your favorite memories for the next issue, and I’ll post them

in a special “80’s Walk Down Amnesia Lane” section of the newsletter!

In other news.......POLL RESULTS! THEY’RE FINALLY DONE! WOO HOO!

Yes, they’re heeeeeere! The SECOND ANNUAL D&D CARTOON POLL results! Read
‘em
and, well, not weep, because it’s not like they’re depressing answers or
anything. In fact, most of them are quite amusing.
Oh, nevermind! As usual, I don’t have a clue as to what I am talking about.

So read on!
And, an advance apology to anyone who may have tried to send me a poll
response and doesn’t see their responses up here. There were several people

who actually ended up sending me their poll responses several times, and
only
one actually got through (friggin’ AOL E-Mail!!!!). Since this is such a
recurring problem, I have started looking into other providers for my
E-Mail
account, you know, ones that WON’T lose E-Mail or ones that will <gasp>
ACTUALLY deliver E-Mail that is sent to me. What a concept, huh?

(1) Who's your favorite main character on Dungeons and Dragons?
Eric -- 26%
Sheila -- 26%
Hank -- 11%
Presto -- 11%
Venger -- 11%
Bobby -- 5%
Diana -- 5%
Dungeon Master -- 5%
The results on this were pretty surprising, in that the character I have
always thought was the most popular among fans -- Hank, the ever-esteemed
leader of the D&D crew -- actually tied for only third place with Presto
and
Venger, with approximately 11% of the vote. Eric and Sheila, however, at
26%
each, were the clear winners. While Sheila’s many fans were a little quiet
in
their adoration of their favorite character (ironically, kinda like the
character herself would be about such an honor!), you Eric fans were quite
outspoken and had a lot of reasons why he is so near and dear to your
heart,
everything from “he had the best character development of the series” (Mike

Bugg) to one of Eric’s more endearing qualities that Norm pointed out:
“‘Cause
he’s the smart a** of the group” ‘Nuff said! Although he tied for third,
the
reasons you had as to why Hank was a favorite were very impressive
nonetheless. Darrell Adams commented when he voted for Hank: “A rarity in
his
time; the reluctant leader/hero. To me, he symbolizes everything that you
should expect from a real leader, and not a cardboard cutout. He hates the
responsibility of being the leader, but immediately embraces it because he
simply is the best one for the job. He would rather face the entire Realm
alone than risk leading his friends into danger. One of my biggest
disappointments of the series is that because Hank *is* the leader, we get
to
see so little of the person behind the facade he wears. The only episode
that
really tries to do this has to share screen time with Ewo^H^H^H Cloud
Bears.
I would have loved to see more from the inside of the "leader's shell" he
seems to erect; particularly when it comes to Sheila, of course. :)”
Hmmm. Veeeeery interesting.
On a curioser note, Venger got more votes than Diana, Dungeon Master, AND
Uni
in this category. I would try to explain why, but I haven’t a clue.
Different strokes for different folks, I assume.

(2) Who was your favorite one-appearance hero (for example, Lorne from
Odessey
of the 12th Talisman, Kosar from Child of the Stargazer, Queen Solonara,
etc.)?
Everyone’s favorite dashing Arabian Knight, Rahmoud, won this one in a
rather
large landslide with about 30% of the vote. Kim Bremner explained Rahmoud’s

popularity with fans best when she said, “Not only did this guy have style,

charm, and a certain flair, but he has got to be the nicest person the gang

has met. At the end of this episode, look at all the stuff he gave them!”
The ‘Girl Who Dreamed Tommorrow’, Terry, was second with approximately 20%
of
the vote. Perhaps the most interesting thing about this question was that
almost every guest character was written in with at least one vote (Dekion,

Kosar, Lorne, Queen Solonara, and Alfor to name a few). Conversely, the
oddest
thing about this category was the fact that a villain (Kelek) got a vote in

this category, which leads me rather nicely to our next question....

(3) Who was the best villain? (BESIDES Venger, naturally!):
No surprises here! Everyone’s favorite five-headed dragon queen, Tiamat,
won
with almost 40% of the vote! Siris (Am I spelling this right?), the creepy
and oh-so-demented Demon Queen from “Child of the Stargazer”, was second
with
approximately 20% of the vote. But perhaps the most intriguing part of this

question was that fact that the voters were just as outspoken as to why
their
favorite villain was their favorite as they were for their favorite
characters! Here’s some highlights:
Darrell Adams (about “He Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken” from “Dungeon at the
Heart of Dawn”): “There's nothing like an enemy that can lay waste to the
entire Realm, and is said to rule "entire universes" with evil. It gives me

chills just to think about it. It's tempting to suggest that this guy
either
works for (or, given the nature of most evil characters, is plotting
against)
ol' Lucie the ex-lightbringer
himself. That certainly would have added a twist to the religious
controversy
aspect!”
Justin Alexander (about Kawamung from “Beauty and the Bogbeast”) “It proved

that even a harmless person like a Bogbeast can succumb to the power of a
magic medallion and become evil.”
Kim Bremner: “This is harder to answer. The Nameless One did the most
destruction and had everyone afraid of him, but I kinda think Queen Siris
from
Child/Stargazer was pretty nasty, too. What, with enslaving an entire
people
for 1,000 years and blasting Kosar and all that, not to mention
her appearance!”


(4) Which episode was your favorite?
Like last year, almost every episode was nominated by at least one person,
but
the hands-down winner was Dragon’s Graveyard, with almost a full third of
the
total vote. Everyone had great reasons for nominating their favorite
episode,
and a lot of you mentioned your favorite scenes when talking about your
favorite episodes. Here’s a few great examples:
Norm: “The reason why this (The Girl Who Dreamed Tommorrow) is my most
favorite episode is because I really love the scene where the gang finds
Terry
and fights the Bullywogs and Lizardmen. The kids are attacked by some
Lizardmen while Eric is trying to warn everyone that "the Bullywogs are
coming!" Then when a Lizardman chases after Eric, Eric bumps into a
Bullywog!
The bullywogs carry Eric off with the Lizardmen chasing after them. Then
the
Lizardmen carry off Eric with the Bullywogs chasing after. The next scene
is
where Eric is being tossed in the air by both the Bullywogs and the
Lizardmen.
Soon after they start to fight each other. Sheila, cloaked, pulls Eric out
of
the mess as Terry introduces herself to Eric. That scene always brings out
a
smile when I watch it. :) I also like it because it proves that the kids
WILL eventually get home.”
Darrell Adams: “Dungeon at the Heart of Dawn. Not just for old whatsisname;

but for some of the best characterization of both the kids and
Dungeonmaster
(and even possibly Venger!) in the entire series. Nothing like facing the
ultimate evil to show what people are really made of. This episode is great

from beginning to end; from the kids' banter (possibly best exchange in the

series: Eric boasts about having faced almost everything the Realm has
dished
out; Presto says the only thing they haven't faces is Flying Purple People
Eaters, to which Bobby replies, "Are you kiddin'? I got one of those last
week!") to their willingness to give everything, even their lives, to get
DM
to the dungeon. It also contains IMHO one of the funniest scenes in the
series: near the beginning, with the tower of Darkness falling apart behind

them, Eric and Bobby trade insults while running back to the others, who
treat
it the whole event like just another day at the office. Even Sheila is only

partially keeping an eye on Bobby while she and Hank lean more on each
other
than the wall they are sitting against. Suddenly, a large boulder appears
to
fall directly on top of Bobby and Uni. Sheila's eyes go extremely wide, and

she jumps to her feet, running for Bobby. Hank, caught napping, goes flying

in a rather humorous fashion.”

(5) Had you been given the choice (and who wouldn't have liked THAT?),
would
you have wanted the show to have a final episode that got the group back
home
once and for all -- or maybe not?
Hoo boy! Did I pick a question or what with this one! This was by far the
question that garnered the most fervent and passionate responses of the
entire
poll. You all seem to be leaning towards the kids making it home (with
choice
(a) garnering close to 50% of the votes), albeit a lot of you don’t seem to

want them to stay home for very long. Mike Bugg was one such voter, and
summed up the sentiment nicely when he said, “...I’d be sorry to see the
adventure end and always figured that they would someday end up returning,
one
way or the other”, and Darrell Adams went more in-depth of his wishes for
what
happens AFTER they get home: “I wanted to see them get home, have a few
months
or years pass off-screen, and then return to the Realm of their own free
will
in order to save it from Venger (and, if I had my way, eventually be forced
to
face down John Doe himself).” Around 15% of you didn’t really want them to
have to return to the Realm in the first place, and thought they should
stay
there. Barbara Davis agreed and added that : “I think they could have made
quite nice lives for themselves there.”, and who could argue with that? Not

me! (or is that “I”. I’m not sure...) Anyway, there were also a large
amount of voters -- more in fact than voted for the group staying the Realm

and almost as many as voted for them to go home! -- who didn’t necessarily
agree with either statement. Here’s some of their responses:
Spud: “Well, yes and no. Yes because call it “unfinished business” for us
fans. But really I’d also have to say no. I don’t think the show would hold

us for more than 10 years as much as it has without the mystery of, do they

get home, how do they get home, etc, etc. I think each fan has come up with

ways they have gotten home that are very much as good or better than
anything
we might have seen.”
Elizabeth Burrough: “I reckon they should have left it open-ended in that
the
opportunity to go home was staring them in the face but the were left to
decide if they really wanted to go home or not (for example, one of their
friends were in danger or some one was going to follow them home, they
would
have to decide what would be right to do a bit like Pandora's box only with

the ending chopped off)”
Kim Bremner: “I think this answer is a little of both a) and b). I think
they
definitely should've gotten home, (but since that would basically be the
end,
and nobody really wants that!) they should for some reason return because
I'm
sure there's more to the Realm than what they've come across.”
Justin Alexander: “Yes and No. Yes it would been good to see the final
episode where the gang went home and No, not straight away. The Realm is
far
too interesting. The writers could of got two or three more seasons before
the
final episode, like they could of caught up with Alfor and The Lost
Children
and see how the ship was going or try another attempt at the river that
rains
upside down.”
Norm: “Ok, there should have been at least some sort of final episode,
maybe
an animated movie to show some violence, etc. But I should also point out
that the kids were brought to the realm as a way to stop Venger from taking

over the Realm completely or at least be a thorn in his side. On their way
out, they should destroy Venger, thus completing their purpose.”
Brian Povlsen: “Let them go back to real life, but have the opportunity to
have doubles to gather their experiences in that life, and then have the
choice to go back to the Realm.”

(6) Okay. Let's throw a hypothetical question at all of you. Say you got
stuck in the Realm one day, and Dungeon Master actually gave you the choice
to
pick one of the six Weapons of Power that the group was given to use. If
you
could have one, and ONLY one of the Weapons of Power, which one would you
want, and why?
Surprisingly, the two most defensive weapons finished in the top two spots
in
this category. Sheila’s cloak won out in total with 37% of the vote, and
all
the reasons why you voted for it were very different AND very creative
(someone should be taking notes if there is ever an updated version of the
series!). Here’s what some of you said when voting for the cloak:
Elizabeth Burrough: “So it would be possible to hide from people and be
able
to nick stuff with out getting noticed. (Hank’s bow would be handy too, as
would the magic hat or Eric's shield, but you can’t have everything, can
you!)”
Carolyn Vaughan: “It's one of the more defensive weapons, which is more my
style than the more offensive weapons, it's more reliable than Presto's
hat,
and it's more versatile than Eric's shield. And the thought of sneaking
around and spying on the bad guys appeals to me.:”:^)
Jeremiah Gwozdziewycz: “Because sometimes the best offense is a good
defense,
and what could be a better defense than being invisible?”
Kim Bremner: “I'd probably choose Sheila's Cloak of Invisibility. I figure,

1)I wouldn't have to carry it around since it fastens shut around the neck,

2)it could be kind of a cool fashion statement as well as be used for
warmth,
3)it could be fun getting to trip up and confuse the enemy, and 4)with the
cloak, it would be the easiest to escape danger with. After all, they can't

catch what they can't see! I personally would be invisible at the first
sign
of danger and wouldn't reappear until I had done my part and it was all
over.
I'd also sew a little draw-string into the edge of the hood so that sucker
wouldn't be coming off until I was ready for it! ;)”
Patrick Drazen: “I’d have to pick (b), the cloak, because I’m not
aggressive
enough for the club, bow or javelin, or creative enough to use the other
stuff.”
Presto’s unpredictable yet always entertaining magic hat was second with
32%
of the vote, for reasons ranging from the Mike Bugg’s “It needs
explanation?
How many times was Presto’s magic vital to the plot, huh? Besides, I could
come up with much better spells than him. :^)” to Barbara Davis’s:
“Presto's
problems with the hat seemed to be his lack of confidence that he could
actually use it. I think he didn't clearly enough communicate what he
wanted
to the hat. None of the villains who captured the hat seemed to have any
problems using it: i.e. Servant of Evil. If you could use the hat properly
you could conjure yourself just about anything you wanted or needed.”
Darrell
Adams went into a bit more detail about some of the subtler bonuses of the
hat
when he said, “Sure, Hank's bow probably saved the gang more times than any

other weapon. But that reflects more on the user than the weapon. If it was

my hide I was trying to keep in one piece, the magic hat would be my
choice,
hands down. Why? Two reasons. One, it is by far the most versatile, doing
everything from teleportation to generating handy gadgets (some of the
time)
to hurling magical energy at enemies to producing lunch. Two, of all the
weapons, only the magic hat would have a hope of getting me home.”
Hank’s versatile bow came in third with 21% of the vote, and Eric’s shield
got
5% of the vote to capture the fourth spot. Interestingly enough, two of the

most offensive style weapons, the club and the javelin, got no votes at
all!
Perhaps the most interesting response that we got to this question was from

Justin Alexander, who makes to argument that none of the weapons could
really
apply in this situation: “I wouldn't chose a weapon. All six weapons have
there advantages and disadvantages. The six weapons were meant to be used
in a
group and not on their own. On their own that's where the disadvantages
outweigh the advantages. Besides the weapons were created to suit a
particular
person or personality. You don't choose the weapon, the weapon chooses
you.”
Food for thought, eh?

(7) Okay, okay. Here's ANOTHER hypothetical question for ya. Say that there

was talk that the Dungeons and Dragons cartoon show concept was going to be

revitalized (I wish I may, I wish I might!) -- only TPTB (The Powers That
Be)
were not quite sure in what way they would do it. If you had the chance to
throw in your $.02 on the subject, which way would you vote?
Hmmm. It seems that the majority of you (39% to be precise) prefer option
(a), which stated that the same characters should be used and have their
adventures continue where the old series left off, as a weekly cartoon
show.
Some voters were very outspoken about the series staying as close to the
original as possible, others made a few suggestions about little changes
that
could make it even better. Here’s some of the responses that cover the full

range:
Elizabeth Burrough: “Under no circumstances do I think that they should
change
the characters, format or animation style -- it just wouldn’t be as good.”
Barbara Davis: “Definitely keep the old characters. They're what we all
love
about Dungeons & Dragons the show.”
Neil Inglis: “A, with them getting home and then several years later going
back to the realm.”
Darrell Adams: “The realm, although interesting, wasn't what kept me
watching;
the characters were. And a single movie, while allowing for a bigger
budget,
would only support one real story. I'm too greedy, I want dozens of
stories.
:) So, a half-hour cartoon (live-action is doable, but I'd be concerned
about
it becoming yet another cheap Hercules rip-off) would be the preferred
medium.
However, if you include multi-part episodes and arcs (I felt continuity and
a
greater story were the greatest missing ingredients in the series), you can

have the sprawling stories of a movie while still getting a lot more
programming time in. One last suggestion. Have MainFrame do it. After
seeing the first two seasons of Reboot (turn ABC's execs into toadstools
for
dropping it) and hearing about the third, I am convinced that high-quality
computer animation is the way to go. The end result is breathtaking.”
The option of an animated movie and a live-action movie tied for second
place,
with 16% of the vote, along with tried-and-true option (e), which was the
“other” option. The option of doing the same type of show, but with new
characters and concepts, was the least popular option, garnering only 11%
of
the vote.

(8) Which, if any, specific episode of the D&D Cartoon would you have liked
to
see continued and developed into further storylines, and why?
There were a whole lotta responses for this one! Instead of filling this
newsletter with even more of my mindless banter, I’ll just let you enjoy
these
for yourselves:
Spud: “Dungeon at the Heart of Dawn. “Big ol’ what’s his name” was sure to
return and wow what a fight that’s gotta be! Now that’s power!”
Carolyn Vaughan: “The Dungeon at the Heart of Dawn, because 1) The Realm
was
*devastated* at the end of that episode, they should've at least shown
things
being fixed, 2) it introduced a villain that Venger called Master, and
I'd've
liked to have seen what the story behind that was, and 3) the Dungeonmaster

himself mentioned the possibility of No-Name returning.”
Mike Bugg: “Heck, almost all of them left plot threads lying all over the
place, but if I had to choose just one, it'd be Dungeon at the Heart of
Dawn.”
Barbara Davis: “The Dragons Graveyard. It brought up so many intriguing
questions. Was Venger really Dungeon Master's son? (Certainly no family
resemblance there. What could his mother have looked like?) And just what
kind of game is DM playing with these kids? Now it strikes me as pretty
obvious that DM was the one who brought them to the Realm in the first
place.
In this episode he said that by not killing Venger they had taken their
first
step home. What are the rest of the steps? Why is he having them do this in

the first place? Kind of related to this is a remark from the last episode
"Cave of the Fairie Dragons". At the end of the episode Eric remarks that
the
Realm isn't such a bad place after all. As the kids walk off into the
sunset
we see Dungeon Master sitting on a rock talking. He says that the kids will

learn that home is where the heart is. Does this mean he doesn't intend to
send them back home eventually? I'd love to see these issues expanded on
further.”
Neil Inglis: “Child of the Stargazer so that we got to find out if they did

meet up at a later date and how they knew each other before.”
Kim Bremner: “Being an advocate for the Hank/Sheila/Item thing, I would've
liked
to see either The Traitor or The Winds of Darkness continued for a bit
longer
and perhaps to have firmly developed the romantic aspect between Hank and
Sheila that was especially hinted at in these episodes.”
Justin Alexander: “I have several episodes that I would like to see
continued
and
developed.
(1) The Quest of the Skeleton Warrior, why the episode left an end that
could
be continued. Deckion returns because he has found a way home and he has
started up a new clan of Celestial Knights.
(2) The Lost Children, why the ship crashed and Alfore could fix it within
fifteen years, so he and the children would still be around in The Realm
for
some time. Venger could find out that they are not dead and try a second
attempt at the ship.
(3) Citadel of Shadow, why we found out that Venger had a sister. This
episode
can be developed a lot. Karena returns and continues her struggle for power

against Venger and somehow drags Sheila into it again.”
Norm: “Hmmm...that's a tough one since all could have been developed and
continued! I'd have to go with Dungeon at the Heart of Dawn, though.”
Sarah Pollard: “The Last Illusion. I think it would have been nice to
include
Varla in the gang's future, as a new ally. I have no particular ideas, but
I
think she would have been a cool character, and would have even up the
boy/girl ratio a bit.”
Darrell Adams: “This could be a long list. First, Dungeon at the Heart of
Dawn, obviously, followed closely by Dragon's Graveyard. I would also like
to
have seen Terry, Rahmoud, Zandora, and possibly Karina (although I liked
the
idea of her as a villain better) return, so add their respective episodes.
Maybe a followup to Eric's experience as DM, as well.”
Bobby Hayes: “The main storyline I would like to see developed is the
implied
love
between Hank and Sheila. This is a most interesting aspect of the show
which
was hardly developed. And I believe to actually develop this the characters

would have to age. Aging the characters would bring much more realism to
the
show.”
Patrick Drazen: “Definitely ‘Citadel of Shadow’. The existence of Karena
opens up a lot of possibilities. Second would be “The Box”, for obvious
reasons.”

(9) Are there any other characters from other cartoons or movies that you
would have liked to see show up on the show -- or a crossover of some kind
between the characters, a la Maureen's story about Mulder and Scully
meeting
up with the group?
Again, there were a lot of interesting responses that really ran the entire

range of possibilities.
Spud: “How about a Rick Hunter, Minmai, Max, etc. from the Robotech Macross

series. (Another one of my favorite cartoons of all time).”
Mike Bugg: “Not really. Having one of the Circle of Eight (like
Mordenkainen)
from the World of Greyhawk or something like that would've been kinda neat,

though. Tie it a bit closer to the game.”
Barbara Davis: “Xena meets Venger. Could it be any weirder?”
Kelly Hibiki: “Ranma 1/2 or other Anime.”
Jeremiah Gwozdziewycz:“I can't think of anything other than something like
a
"Dracula"movie--not the most recent one, one of the older, better
ones--like
where they would go to Victorian England.”
Kim Bremner: “=) Can't you just see the kids from South Park getting zapped

into
the Realm just after the gang did?!
Diana- Who was that?
DM- That was Venger, the Force of Evil.
Stan- He killed Kenny! You Bastard!
(Sorry, I couldn't resist.) Actually, what I always thought would be neat
was
if somehow, (for those of you who are familiar) the original characters
from
the DragonLance series were to meet up with the gang while camping, before
the
War of the Lance really started. They could teach the kids some extra
skills
they could later use. Tanis could teach Hank some wood-lore techniques as
well
as share leadership tips. Caramon with his jovial good nature could show
Bobby
some moves. Tas could happily show Sheila how to move sneaky-quiet and to
pick
locks while she admonished him about "borrowing" without permission. Maybe
Raistlin could overcome his disgust at Presto's inability to control his
magic
hat and perhaps seeing a bit of himself in Presto, what with the potential
bully factor and all, offer to help him with a few tricks. Sturm could
instruct Eric on the Code and the Measure as well as show him some battle
moves. And Riverwind, with some help from Goldmoon, could share some
pointers
with Diana on staff wielding. This is based on the Preludes). See, the
whole
gang would profit!”
Justin Alexander: “(1) I would like to see Galtar, Zorn and Pricess Galita
make a guest appearance. (Galtar and the Golden Lance) both series were
situated around the same time period and the same universe.
(2) Alfor and The Lost Children had a spaceship and were from another
planet
or galaxy, so space travel was possible in The Realm's universe. It would
be
conceivable that Space Ghost, Jan and Jance could drop in for a episode or
Josie and the Pussycats.
(3) Venger showed that dimensional portals were possible, which means that
anyone from any time period could of turned up, like in the Scooby Doo
movies.”
Sarah Pollard: “The Ulysses cartoon series would have provided a good cross

over, but I don't think it was ever shown in America so no-one will
understand
this. The character, Ulysses, was always landing on different planets,
trying
to get home. He and his companions could have landed in the Realm, and
would
be able to empathise with our ill-fated heroes.”
Keith Whitney: The ThunderCats

(10) Okay. Is it me, or did Kosar from the "Child of the Stargazer" episode

look (and sound) like Michael Jackson (note: the MJ of 1984, not now!), or
what?
Yes! He did! -- 53%
Uh, No! He didn’t! -- 21%
Okay, okay, besides the fact that 16% of voters picked option (c) (you
know,
the one that asked if I could come up with a better question than this?),
it
looks like most of you agree that the Child of the Stargazer bore some sort
of
resemblance to the King of Pop.
Spud: “Listen to the voice, look at the hair. When I saw it in 1984 the
first
thing I remember thinking (and yes I remember back then), it’s Michael
Jackson!”
Kim Bremner: “Sure, why not! After all, Michael Jackson was a pretty big
early-mid 80's influence. If the writers could be influenced by all the
pop-
culture (Star Wars for example) and have it show up in the dialogue why not

the animators be influenced by M. Jackson and using his appearance! It
kinda
gives MJ's song "Dirty Diana" ...I'll stop there!”
Darrell Adams: “I feel sorry for Kosar. :)”
And yes, Patrick, I think you did ask this question in the Cavern. My
apologies for repeating it -- at least that explains why it was stuck in my

head for awhile there....:/

Well, that’s all folks! Thank you once again to everyone who participated!

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